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Near-optimal Turán densities of rr-graphs on r+1r+1 vertices

Published 19 Aug 2026 in math.CO | (2608.18924v1)

Abstract: Let π(H)π(H) be the Turán density of an r-uniform hypergraph HH and let Hk<sup>rH_k<sup>r denote the rr-uniform hypergraph on r+1r+1 vertices with exactly kk edges, where 1kr+11\le k\le r+1. Sidorenko~(JCT-B, 2024) proved that π(H3<sup>r)</sup>(1.7215o(1))r<sup>2π(H_3<sup>r)\ge</sup> (1.7215-o(1))r<sup>{-2} as rr\to\infty and π(Hk<sup>r)</sup>(Ck+o(1))r<sup>(1+1/(k2))π(H_k<sup>r)\ge</sup> (C_k+o(1))r<sup>{-(1+1/(k-2))} for fixed kk as rr\to\infty. Clemen~later improved the first bound to π(H3<sup>r)</sup>cr<sup>2log</sup>rπ(H_3<sup>r)\ge</sup> cr<sup>{-2}\sqrt{\log</sup> r} for some constant $c&gt;0$. In this article, we prove the following results. \begin{itemize} \item For any fixed $\varepsilon&gt;0$, there is a constant $c_\varepsilon&gt;0$ such that π(H3<sup>r)</sup>cεr(logr)<sup>2+ε.π(H_3<sup>r)\ge</sup> \frac{c_\varepsilon}{r(\log r)<sup>{2+\varepsilon}}. %π(H3<sup>r)</sup>1/(r(logr)<sup>2+o(1))π(H_3<sup>r)\ge</sup> 1/(r(\log r)<sup>{2+o(1)}). Together with the known upper bound π(H3<sup>r)1/rπ(H_3<sup>r)\le1/r, this implies π(H3<sup>r)=r<sup>1+o(1)π(H_3<sup>r)=r<sup>{-1+o(1)}. \item For every 3kr+13\le k\le r+1, let s=mink2,rk+2s=\min{k-2,r-k+2}. Then \begin{equation*} 0\le \frac{k-2}{r}-π(H_kr) \le \frac{128}{r}\left(\sqrt{s\log\frac{er}{s}}+\log\frac{er}{s}\right). \end{equation*} This estimate yields several asymptotically sharp results for π(Hk<sup>r)π(H_k<sup>r). For example, π(Hk<sup>r)=(1+o(1))(k2)/rπ(H_k<sup>r)=(1+o(1))(k-2)/r when log(er/(k))=o(k)\log(er/(k))=o(k). \end{itemize}

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Summary

  • The paper proves that π(H₃ʳ)=r⁻¹⁺ᵒ⁽¹⁾, improving earlier lower bounds through recursive blow-ups, local colourings, and pair-covering methods.
  • For every 3≤k≤r+1, it shows that π(Hₖʳ) differs from the upper bound (k−2)/r by at most 128r⁻¹(√(s log(er/s))+log(er/s)), where s=min{k−2,r−k+2}.
  • The circular construction and cyclic scan estimates become asymptotically sharp when k grows sufficiently with r, while the correct logarithmic factor for H₃ʳ and fixed-k densities remain open problems.

The paper under review, by Jiabao Yang and Xiutao Zhu (2608.18924), determines the asymptotic order of the Turán density π(H3r)\pi(H_3^r) and gives a near-optimal finite estimate for π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r) for all 3kr+13\le k\le r+1, where HkrH_k^r denotes the unique (up to isomorphism) rr-graph on r+1r+1 vertices with exactly kk edges. The problem is equivalent to the Brown–Erdős–Sós function f(r)(n,r+1,k)f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k), since ex(n,Hkr)=f(r)(n,r+1,k)1\mathrm{ex}(n,H_k^r)=f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)-1. Prior to this work, the best lower bounds for π(H3r)\pi(H_3^r) were π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)0 (Sidorenko) and π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)1 (Clemen), against an upper bound of π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)2; for general π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)3, Sidorenko's circular construction gave lower bounds of order π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)4 for fixed π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)5, far below the upper bound π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)6.

Background and main results

For an π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)7-uniform hypergraph π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)8, π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)9. Determining Turán densities of 3kr+13\le k\le r+10-graphs is notoriously difficult; even 3kr+13\le k\le r+11 remains open. The family 3kr+13\le k\le r+12 interpolates between classical cases: 3kr+13\le k\le r+13 is a triangle (3kr+13\le k\le r+14 by Mantel), 3kr+13\le k\le r+15 (conjectured 3kr+13\le k\le r+16 by Frankl and Füredi), and 3kr+13\le k\le r+17. A useful monotonicity, 3kr+13\le k\le r+18, follows from considering link graphs.

The paper proves two main theorems. First, for every fixed 3kr+13\le k\le r+19 there exists HkrH_k^r0 such that

HkrH_k^r1

for all sufficiently large HkrH_k^r2. Combined with the known upper bound HkrH_k^r3, this yields the sharp-in-exponent conclusion

HkrH_k^r4

i.e., HkrH_k^r5. This resolves the exponent of HkrH_k^r6 in the density, leaving only polylogarithmic factors undetermined.

Second, writing HkrH_k^r7, the authors prove that for all integers HkrH_k^r8 and HkrH_k^r9,

rr0

This closes the gap to the trivial upper bound rr1 whenever rr2 grows with rr3. Three corollaries quantify this: if rr4 then rr5; if rr6 then rr7 exactly; and if rr8 with rr9, the deficit from r+1r+10 is at most r+1r+11.

Proof for r+1r+12: recursive blow-up via local colourings

The engine of the first result is a recursion: there is an absolute constant r+1r+13 such that for all r+1r+14,

r+1r+15

Iterating this map r+1r+16 reaches a fixed base value in r+1r+17 steps, and a product lemma shows the accumulated factor satisfies r+1r+18, giving the theorem.

The recursion itself is established through a two-coordinate labelling argument. The vertex set of size r+1r+19 is partitioned into kk0 parts of size kk1. A key ingredient is a colouring lemma: using independent random permutations of a dense kk2-free family on each part, one can colour all kk3-subsets of a part with at most kk4 colours so that no kk5-set contains three same-coloured kk6-subsets. An kk7-set meeting every part in at most kk8 vertices is called good; a hypergeometric tail bound shows good sets constitute a kk9 fraction of all f(r)(n,r+1,k)f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)0-sets. Each good set receives a label consisting of (a weighted sum of part indices mod f(r)(n,r+1,k)f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)1) and (a sum of local colours mod f(r)(n,r+1,k)f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)2). If three edges of a hypothetical copy of f(r)(n,r+1,k)f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)3 shared a label, the first coordinate forces the three deleted vertices into the same part, while the second coordinate contradicts the local colouring property. Taking the largest label class and applying Sidorenko's pair-covering blow-up lemma (f(r)(n,r+1,k)f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)4 for pair-covering f(r)(n,r+1,k)f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)5) yields the recursion.

An honest caveat: the constants are chosen so that the error term in the product lemma absorbs both the geometric decay of the sequence and the constant f(r)(n,r+1,k)f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)6; the result is therefore sensitive to these constants but robust in its logarithmic structure.

Proof for general f(r)(n,r+1,k)f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)7: circular construction and cyclic scan statistics

The second main theorem refines Sidorenko's circular construction. In that construction, f(r)(n,r+1,k)f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)8 points are placed uniformly at random on a circle of circumference one, and an f(r)(n,r+1,k)f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)9-set is an edge when the argument of the product of its points lies within the shortest arc containing ex(n,Hkr)=f(r)(n,r+1,k)1\mathrm{ex}(n,H_k^r)=f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)-10 points; the resulting infinite ex(n,Hkr)=f(r)(n,r+1,k)1\mathrm{ex}(n,H_k^r)=f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)-11-graph is ex(n,Hkr)=f(r)(n,r+1,k)1\mathrm{ex}(n,H_k^r)=f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)-12-free with edge density ex(n,Hkr)=f(r)(n,r+1,k)1\mathrm{ex}(n,H_k^r)=f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)-13, where ex(n,Hkr)=f(r)(n,r+1,k)1\mathrm{ex}(n,H_k^r)=f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)-14 denotes the length of the shortest arc containing ex(n,Hkr)=f(r)(n,r+1,k)1\mathrm{ex}(n,H_k^r)=f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)-15 points.

Writing the gaps as normalized spacings, Rényi's representation identifies ex(n,Hkr)=f(r)(n,r+1,k)1\mathrm{ex}(n,H_k^r)=f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)-16 with ex(n,Hkr)=f(r)(n,r+1,k)1\mathrm{ex}(n,H_k^r)=f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)-17 for i.i.d. exponential variables ex(n,Hkr)=f(r)(n,r+1,k)1\mathrm{ex}(n,H_k^r)=f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)-18, independent of ex(n,Hkr)=f(r)(n,r+1,k)1\mathrm{ex}(n,H_k^r)=f^{(r)}(n,r+1,k)-19. Consequently π(H3r)\pi(H_3^r)0, where π(H3r)\pi(H_3^r)1 is the minimum over π(H3r)\pi(H_3^r)2 of the cyclic sum of π(H3r)\pi(H_3^r)3 consecutive exponentials. Centering via π(H3r)\pi(H_3^r)4, the problem reduces to bounding π(H3r)\pi(H_3^r)5 for cyclic sums of centered variables.

The key probabilistic estimate is a block decomposition: starting indices are grouped into blocks of size at most π(H3r)\pi(H_3^r)6, and within each block all relevant cyclic sums involve at most π(H3r)\pi(H_3^r)7 distinct consecutive variables, so a maximal Bernstein inequality for ordinary partial sums applies. A union bound over blocks and integration of the resulting tail gives

π(H3r)\pi(H_3^r)8

for π(H3r)\pi(H_3^r)9. For π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)00, the complement identity π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)01 with π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)02 reduces the case to cyclic sums of length π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)03. Combining both regimes with the known upper bound π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)04 yields the finite estimate. The corollaries then follow by direct asymptotic analysis of π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)05 under the three growth regimes for π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)06.

It should be noted that for small fixed π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)07 the error term exceeds π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)08 itself — for π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)09 it is much larger — so the estimate is informative precisely when π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)10 grows with π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)11; the fixed-π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)12 regime retains the gap between π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)13 and π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)14.

Limitations and open questions

Several limitations are explicit. The bound π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)15 does not determine whether the true density is closer to π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)16 or carries a genuine logarithmic penalty; pinning down the correct power of π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)17 (or showing none) remains open. The Frankl–Füredi conjecture π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)18 and the determination of π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)19 remain untouched. For fixed π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)20, the multiplicative gap between the circular-construction lower bounds and the upper bound π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)21 persists. Finally, the additive constant π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)22 in the main estimate is not optimized, and the corollary in the regime π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)23 leaves a non-vanishing relative gap of order π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)24.

Conclusion

The paper establishes that π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)25, upgrading the previously known π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)26-type lower bounds by a recursive local-colouring and blow-up argument, and proves that π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)27 differs from its trivial upper bound π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)28 by at most π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)29, which is asymptotically sharp whenever π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)30. These results substantially narrow the Brown–Erdős–Sós-type extremal landscape for π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)31-graphs on π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)32 vertices, while leaving the precise polylogarithmic behaviour of π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)33 and the fixed-π(Hkr)\pi(H_k^r)34 regime as open problems.

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