Naturalness of subgroup rank as a cohomological invariant

Determine whether the subgroup rank r_p(G) is a natural invariant for the group-cohomological applications in which sectional p-rank s_p(G) controls the dimension and complexity of group cohomology.

Background

The appendix introduces sectional p-rank s_p(G) and proves that sufficiently large sectional p-rank forces an elementary abelian subgroup of controlled rank. The authors note that sectional p-rank is used in group cohomology to control dimension and complexity.

They explicitly leave unresolved whether the ordinary subgroup rank r_p(G), which records only elementary abelian subgroups rather than elementary abelian subquotients, is likewise a natural invariant for those applications.

References

It is not clear to us whether $r_p(G)$ is also a natural invariant in that setting.

Abelian structure in approximate groups and Alon's conjecture on Ramsey Cayley graphs  (2512.15125 - Schildkraut, 17 Dec 2025) in Section 7, Appendix A (Understanding the sectional p-rank)